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fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power playç of all in obama care cam at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the beginning. their party's not big on medicare from the beginning. folks, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> so, now, of course, given all the campaign rhetoric coming from both sides, we are on the other side of an election that proved that there is a bipartisan consensus, that it is bad to be the kind of politician that supports cutting medicare. and even giving that very recent lesson from the ele
fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power playç of all in obama care cam at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716...
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stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble. >> i think they misheard it and they thought a unicorn stole the election. >> i mean a.c.o.r.n. they don't have a nickel to rub against another nickel and they're running the country. thai dana and ron. i think we caught the spirit of this nonsense. up next, one of the most popular guests we've ever had on "hardball" barney frank joins us as we prepared to leaves the country. barney has been around a long time. i thought efforts the new guy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisiv
stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble....
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the truth is, what the american people want and they have said in the election, you know, obama did win a major victory and the issue being debated was whether the wealthy are going to start paying their fair share of tacks what poll after poll says do not cut can social security and medicare and medicaid. ask the wealthy and large corporations to start paying their taxes. further, let's not forget, as a result of these rather bad agreements in 2010 and 2011, though i voted against, we've already cut a trillion dollars in programs for working families. >> you're right. the american people have said in the election as well as in the polling, 82% oppose reducing social security benefits. 67% oppose raising medicare eligibility age and 60% support raising taxes on the wealthy. so it doesn't even make political sense. >> that's what i don't get. and the other point, al, when they talk about changing the formula, so-called chain cpi for social security, let me tell you what it means. i want everybody to hear this. it means that if you're 65 today -- and this is going to go into effect immedi
the truth is, what the american people want and they have said in the election, you know, obama did win a major victory and the issue being debated was whether the wealthy are going to start paying their fair share of tacks what poll after poll says do not cut can social security and medicare and medicaid. ask the wealthy and large corporations to start paying their taxes. further, let's not forget, as a result of these rather bad agreements in 2010 and 2011, though i voted against, we've...
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. >>> in the costliest presidential election in u.s. history, the 2012 race saw not one but $2 billion spent. president obama and mitt romney each raised over a billion dollars a piece and that's just the campaigns and party committees. the obama camp raised $1.123 billion while the romney camp spent $1.019 billion just behind them. when you add in the spending by the super pacs, those numbers go way up. we'll be right back. ameriprisel was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ it's so great to see you. you, too! oh, cloudy glasses. you didn't have to come over! actually, honey, i think i did... oh? you did? whoa, ladies, easy. hi. cascade kitchen counselor. we can help avoid this with cascade complete pacs. see, over time, cascade complete pa
. >>> in the costliest presidential election in u.s. history, the 2012 race saw not one but $2 billion spent. president obama and mitt romney each raised over a billion dollars a piece and that's just the campaigns and party committees. the obama camp raised $1.123 billion while the romney camp spent $1.019 billion just behind them. when you add in the spending by the super pacs, those numbers go way up. we'll be right back. ameriprisel was founded back in 1894, they've been committed...
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obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re-election under his belt and is this the way it's going to go, nor mr. nice guy approach? >> i think the president believes very strongly that we can't repeat the mistakes of the past. that going back to tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, hoping that trickles down the rest of us have failed us for well over a decade. what we need to do instead is be serious about protecting the middle class and the republicans agree with that. don't hold those tax breaks for millionaires hostage. let's reduce taxes for the middle class. that's something that we all agree on fine let's get it done. if we believe we need to make certain investments which we do to grow the economy, in infrastructure and innovation and making sure america is always on the cutting
obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re-election under his belt and is this the way it's going to go, nor mr. nice guy approach? >> i think the president believes very strongly that we...
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but you did mention barack obama, you did mention that he's the first african-american president to be re-elected and some talk about tim scott and the president of the idea of being post-racial. are we there? >> certainly not. the idea that we're breathless of the appointment of a black american appointed. also the gubernatorial position which is the other statewide position. look, we elect presidents from a very narrow categories of people. senators, governors, and vice presidents. until we have a substantial number of people as governors, senators, and vice presidents, we're not really looking at a time when our presidency will be dramatically different. >> and until we don't have to talk about this. >> right. >> don't forget to catch melissa perry as she hosts melissa harris-perry. >>> tragedy strikes the hospital. an employee connected to the prank calls by australian djs. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these programs into a last minute budget deal... we'll all pay the price. aarp is fighting to protect seniors with responsible...
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some were election related like this clint eastwood, infamous invisible obama speech and mitt romney's big bird remarks. the top spot goes to olympian's not too impressed face which has been imitated time and time again. is there any we can remember that we may have forgot snen. >> i'm sure there are hundreds of ones we haven't forgotten. >> google and youtube -- >> yeah, embarrassing moments. >> i'm sure bill charkarins shop several times. stay tuned. "way too early" is next. >>> i wouldn't even care about winning the $550 million. i just want to be paid with one of the giant checks. wouldn't that be great? take it to the bank, try to feed it into the atm. >>> i know that lotto money is going to be mine. even though the drawing hasn't happened yet, even though the odds of winning are 175 million to 1. because i bought 175 million tickets and i'm guaranteed to win because every sin
some were election related like this clint eastwood, infamous invisible obama speech and mitt romney's big bird remarks. the top spot goes to olympian's not too impressed face which has been imitated time and time again. is there any we can remember that we may have forgot snen. >> i'm sure there are hundreds of ones we haven't forgotten. >> google and youtube -- >> yeah, embarrassing moments. >> i'm sure bill charkarins shop several times. stay tuned. "way too...
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. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president clinton were part of a golfing foursome sunday but no cameras were allowed. these pictures are from when they played last year. it's believed to be the president's third time hitting the links since the election. >>> finally, birther tate tried to force occidental college to release president obama's student records. the judge said no, told her, quote, evidence is not stuff printed from the internet and ordered her to pay the college $4,000 for its trouble. >>> and that is your morning dish of "scrambled politics." >>> and now for a check on wall street this monday morning. the dow opens this week at 13,025 after gaining 3 points friday. the s&p was up a fraction. the nasdaq lost 1. overseas, the nikkei added 12, and the hang seng dropped 262. >>> investors and traders keep tabs on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, the
. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president clinton were part of a golfing foursome sunday but no cameras were allowed. these pictures are from when they played last year. it's believed to be the president's third time hitting the links since the election. >>> finally, birther tate tried...
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over government in the last election. he says they didn't make it. ted cruz says that the real problem with mitt romney's disastrous 47% quote was that it accepted the notion that some people are rich. some people are poor. and that's how the pie looks. and then you redistribute among them. he's saying no. true conservatism -- and we've heard joe say this around the table -- >> absolutely. >> -- true conservatism means that everybody can do anything and that the republican party's missed that message. that's what they need to turn to. >> it's going to be interesting to see how they do that and if ted cruz becomes sort of the force in this. what do you think? what's your gut, mike? >> he's already offering himself -- he clearly wants to play that role. >> yeah. >> he said last night, i'm something that's not supposed to exist, a hispanic republican. so ted cruz is one of the most interesting parts of this reinvention of the republican party. another part of it, the new emphasis on immigration. >> yes. >> the effort to reac
over government in the last election. he says they didn't make it. ted cruz says that the real problem with mitt romney's disastrous 47% quote was that it accepted the notion that some people are rich. some people are poor. and that's how the pie looks. and then you redistribute among them. he's saying no. true conservatism -- and we've heard joe say this around the table -- >> absolutely. >> -- true conservatism means that everybody can do anything and that the republican party's...
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stole the 2012 election from president obama. the number is down only three points from the 2008 election. the problem is, folks, a.c.o.r.n., they shut their doors back in 2010. these poll numbers are absolutely shocking. but if you look at where republicans get their news, some sense can be made of all of this. in 2012, foxnews.com and its fringe sister site, fox nation, did five stories related to a.c.o.r.n. the fox news effect is nothing new, as long as fox news and right-wing talkers push information, the problem will continue. meanwhile, these poll numbers also show republicans are can't handle losing the election. 25% of republican voters say that they want to succeed from the union. and 19%, well, they're not really sure yet. it's safe to say that republicans are no longer the party of patriotism. a quarter of their members want nothing to do with this country. these misinformed republicans love to talk about our founding fathers. don't they always quote our founding fathers, those tea partyers out there? tonight i've pick
stole the 2012 election from president obama. the number is down only three points from the 2008 election. the problem is, folks, a.c.o.r.n., they shut their doors back in 2010. these poll numbers are absolutely shocking. but if you look at where republicans get their news, some sense can be made of all of this. in 2012, foxnews.com and its fringe sister site, fox nation, did five stories related to a.c.o.r.n. the fox news effect is nothing new, as long as fox news and right-wing talkers push...
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you could see well before the election of 2008 the excitement for obama. i felt it myself obviously at the rallies we'd go to. all the speeches. this time around it was an effective excitement. it wasn't we love this guy's speeches. the speeches weren't that great this time by obama, but it was effectively excited because they decided to vote for other reasons. how come it wasn't palpable that this guy was going to get the same turnout he got last time? >> well, it was clear to joel benenson who was the obama pollster and who got it right on the money. it was clear in the average polls. i think john is right about this, there was an assumption inside the party that there was going to be a different electorate. >> did you see it, bob? did you see the excitement this time we both saw in '08 for obama? >> of course you didn't see the same level of excitement, but i saw a level of determination that was intense. i saw people waiting for hours in line in the polls. i'll tell you one other thing. you cannot explain simply by your conception of what the electorat
you could see well before the election of 2008 the excitement for obama. i felt it myself obviously at the rallies we'd go to. all the speeches. this time around it was an effective excitement. it wasn't we love this guy's speeches. the speeches weren't that great this time by obama, but it was effectively excited because they decided to vote for other reasons. how come it wasn't palpable that this guy was going to get the same turnout he got last time? >> well, it was clear to joel...
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what kind of political positioning is this and there was an election and obama and senator demint was on fox and more power in the senate than he did in. now watch this. >> this is a dream job for me. it critically important. i don't think republicans are going to win another national election until they first convince americans that our principles work. i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. >> being in the minority is no fun but that's a pretty pathetic statement about what it means to be in the minority. the thing that bugs me about demint choosing to do this is immigration is going to be one of the first things that the senate tackles this year. he was a big player in 2007 pushing against bush effort for bipartisan reform. he was taking about building a 700-mile long wall along our south border. i'm not certain why he would choose this moment. >> have a great weekend. >> you, too. >>> she jumped in our hearts at the london games and now she's writing all about it on how she got there. gold medal winner gabby douglas is here. she might even tel
what kind of political positioning is this and there was an election and obama and senator demint was on fox and more power in the senate than he did in. now watch this. >> this is a dream job for me. it critically important. i don't think republicans are going to win another national election until they first convince americans that our principles work. i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. >> being in the minority is no fun but that's a...
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. >> now, richard, president obama told "rolling stone" magazine that his past election would break the gop fever. he told the magazine, quote, my hope is if the american people send a message to republicans and they suffer some losses in this election, that there's going to be some self-reflection going on. that it might break the fever. they might say to themselves, you know what? we've lost our way here. we need to refocus on trying to get things done for the american people. richard, they lost some seats. they lost the election. is the fever about to break? >> it's interesting he used the language because that was the same language that vice president biden used when he was being interviewed by chris matthews on "hardball." the fever breaking is clearly a term of art in terms of what the white house seeins as the probl. as krystal's point, the politics has changed in some way. we don't have the deal set yet but when was the last time a democratic candidate had the guts to campaign saying that taxes would rise. republicans have had this game of fear playing out for many cycles now, t
. >> now, richard, president obama told "rolling stone" magazine that his past election would break the gop fever. he told the magazine, quote, my hope is if the american people send a message to republicans and they suffer some losses in this election, that there's going to be some self-reflection going on. that it might break the fever. they might say to themselves, you know what? we've lost our way here. we need to refocus on trying to get things done for the american people....
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in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal has to raise taxes on the highest earners. but yesterday the president also appeared to show a little bit of flexibility in lowering those tax rates in the future. take a listen to what he said. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal -- what i've suggested is, let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it's possible that we may be able to l
in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal has to raise taxes on the highest earners. but yesterday the president also appeared to show a little bit of flexibility in lowering those tax rates in the future. take a listen to what he said. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance...
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the white house seems to have the leverage right now, craig, and whether it was president obama's re-election, whether it's some of the republicans like the sound you actually played from tom cole who seems to be going to the white house position, the bush tax cuts should be extended for the middle class, but for the middle class only. so the white house by creating all these big demands including more tax revenue, but also saying, hey, congress, we want to take away your power on the debt ceiling limit to have all these asks that tim geithner apparently made was basically to make republicans cave on the one thing the white house really wants, and that is to decouple the bush tax cuts for the middle class and the wealthy. >> do you think the white house has done a good job explaining that every american will get a tax cut on their first $250,000 of income? >> that's a great question and president obama made that in his remarks today. he's actually been making it in the past. and it is actually something that we as journalists haven't done a very good job pointing out. that even if you are a b
the white house seems to have the leverage right now, craig, and whether it was president obama's re-election, whether it's some of the republicans like the sound you actually played from tom cole who seems to be going to the white house position, the bush tax cuts should be extended for the middle class, but for the middle class only. so the white house by creating all these big demands including more tax revenue, but also saying, hey, congress, we want to take away your power on the debt...
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>> what's interesting this time is barack obama has been re-elected and he's obviously feeling his oats because he's moved back to his earlier position in terms of negotiating points that in the past his own left wing had criticized him for giving up too soon. >> right. >> and you could tell both sides are dug in because neither is talking to each other, talking to the american public. and this is a pr game. >> and, kristen, you've done some work for the house republicans conference. and there are ways where you are making the argument and help polling that makes the argument raising tax rates are not what the american public wants. they agree on seeing the rich pay more but don't do it via rates that scares them off. is that polling data -- it seems like it's a tough message for the republicans. >> it is a tough message for republicans. so i think they're conceding we need to have more revenue come from somewhere. the question is, are all dollars of revenue treated equally? and the problem now is while speaker boehner wants to put ref gnaw on the table, democrats have a lot of push bac
>> what's interesting this time is barack obama has been re-elected and he's obviously feeling his oats because he's moved back to his earlier position in terms of negotiating points that in the past his own left wing had criticized him for giving up too soon. >> right. >> and you could tell both sides are dug in because neither is talking to each other, talking to the american public. and this is a pr game. >> and, kristen, you've done some work for the house...
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she was among the obama campaign's biggest fundraisers. >>> just weeks after winning re-election to her ninth term, missouri congress wam jwoman jo emerson is going to resign. >>> four other house republicans have been booted from committees they serve on. a gop leadership aide says they were out offed by the republican conference because "not team players." >>> it certainly wasn't the most high profile kennedy wedding, but joe kennedy iii is now a married man. the grandson of robert f. kennedy tied the not saturday in california. >>> things may be tense between senator mccain and john kerry but they were able to liten the mood as mccain joked by kerry's nomination to an obama cabinet. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. >> you didn't hear the joke. he called him mr. secretary. it didn't take long for kerry to give as good as he got. >> tnk you very much mr. president. this is what happens when you get too losers. >> you don't see that very often. that's your morning ditch of "scrambled politics." >> along with continuing worry about the fiscal cliff, stocks fell monday after disappo
she was among the obama campaign's biggest fundraisers. >>> just weeks after winning re-election to her ninth term, missouri congress wam jwoman jo emerson is going to resign. >>> four other house republicans have been booted from committees they serve on. a gop leadership aide says they were out offed by the republican conference because "not team players." >>> it certainly wasn't the most high profile kennedy wedding, but joe kennedy iii is now a married...
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he's saying i won the election. we're going to start with a plan pretty far to the left and move slightly from there. he's playing hardball and saying they have to come to me. they have to accept tax increases. they have to spell out the spending cuts they want. he's trying to play a very assertive role in this discussion. >> all right. let's go here with you, dane that listen to speaker john boehner talking about this on friday about the president's plan. >> they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> have you found almost nowhere on a map? do you know where we are? >> yes, it's in washington, d.c. right there in the center, the capitol, under the rotunda. it wasn't a serious proposal of course because it's not really a proposal. there's more posing and posturing going on in washington now than your typical yoga class. and the idea is everybody wants to pull the debate as perry
he's saying i won the election. we're going to start with a plan pretty far to the left and move slightly from there. he's playing hardball and saying they have to come to me. they have to accept tax increases. they have to spell out the spending cuts they want. he's trying to play a very assertive role in this discussion. >> all right. let's go here with you, dane that listen to speaker john boehner talking about this on friday about the president's plan. >> they want to have this...
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president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis: los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets are culturally biased. >> against what, surfers? >> 9-9-9 is how we remember herman cain. i guess it's better than 6-6-6. >>> are we seeing the start of a republican retreat on the fiscal cliff? you're watching "hardball," a place for politics. >>> back to "har
president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis: los angeles" last night? one of the...
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president obama, we make the best of it. so, you really ordered up fireworks on election night, huh? governor romney, yeah, something like that. where did you even find all those people? it was like you had nasa labs cloning obama voters for the last four years. you can read the rest on "rolling stone's" website there. that is the only snippet we can put on the air. >>> rush limbaugh erupting over sandra fluke this time the women's rights activist is a contender for "time" magazine's person of the year. in february you might remember mr. limbaugh calling fluke calling prostitute on his radio show. here's what he says now. >> nobody would know who she is if it weren't for me. if anybody is going to be named person of the year on that basis, it ought to be me! >> no word from "time" magazine whether rush is being considered. >>> she is about to step down from her job as secretary of state. what will senator clinton do as encore and will it include another race for the white house? we'll talk to two people who have covered clin
president obama, we make the best of it. so, you really ordered up fireworks on election night, huh? governor romney, yeah, something like that. where did you even find all those people? it was like you had nasa labs cloning obama voters for the last four years. you can read the rest on "rolling stone's" website there. that is the only snippet we can put on the air. >>> rush limbaugh erupting over sandra fluke this time the women's rights activist is a contender for...
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this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because they can't control this conversation. americans know where they stand on tax fairness and republicans are on the losing end. it's been a rough week. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, who has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations at this point? text a for president obama and b for the republicans to 622639. you can go to our blog and leave a comment. we encourage you to do that. i'm joined tonight by sam stein, political reporter for "the huffington post." don't you dare give me a hard time about the packers. who is winning the conversation with the american people? what kind of week was it on the hill? >> you can say the president is winning this conversation at this junction. these things change. a lot of this is postur
this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because they can't control this conversation. americans know where they stand on tax fairness and republicans are on the losing end. it's been a rough week. get your cell phones out....
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in 2010 you found yourself on the wrong end of a wave election. people blame barack obama and the state of the economy, health care, what have you. now in 2012 you come back and you beat the guy who beat you and you're back, soon to be, in congress. tell me what lessons you learned in 2012? what was in your mind in a swing state of new hampshire the 2012 election about and what does it carry forward? >> well, first, let me say in 2010 there was a lot of misinformation about health care and about other issues we were voting on. and so people were understandably frightened and now as the health care law is being carried out they recognize that this is a very consumer friendly law. and so that has changed. the issues in this past election the proper role of government, and i was running against the tea partier who wanted to shut down so much of government functions and people recognize that they really do want to have good government. but they do want efficient government and they want to make sure they're watching out for their tax dollars. they do
in 2010 you found yourself on the wrong end of a wave election. people blame barack obama and the state of the economy, health care, what have you. now in 2012 you come back and you beat the guy who beat you and you're back, soon to be, in congress. tell me what lessons you learned in 2012? what was in your mind in a swing state of new hampshire the 2012 election about and what does it carry forward? >> well, first, let me say in 2010 there was a lot of misinformation about health care...
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we've just had an election. the people had a choice between mitt romney and president obama who said let's have a balanced plan, and let's give tax cuts to the middle class. what is he talking about? this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires and billionaires, we're just taking you back to the tax rates that you had when bill clinton was president. and i would like to remind everybody, we had the greatest prosperity then when everyone paid their fair share. 23 million new jobs. and why is it? because the middle class had the money to spend out there, to stimulate this economy. it's a cons
we've just had an election. the people had a choice between mitt romney and president obama who said let's have a balanced plan, and let's give tax cuts to the middle class. what is he talking about? this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars....
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everyone else in the system has an election and obama doesn't. so as his capital goes down and his vision gets wider, historically everyone else is getting narrower to that -- it not even to election day in '14 but to primary day. >> with all that said, lee, you look at the deal, as michael said, the president came out big. not only does he want taxes to go up on the wealthy but stimulus spending, the power to raise the debt ceiling. where is the middle ground? who blinks on these questions of taxes? >> everyone is doubling down and waiting for the other side to blink first. that's why we'll push this. this could be all choreographed. we don't know what's happening with the side conversations. both sides will probably give. everyone knows that will be the case. the president has a lot of leverage. he, of course, doesn't have absolute leverage but has more than he had. learned a lesson in 2001. he's coming out of the gate with strong rhetoric. >> michael? >> if you took grover out of the equation and lowered the flame, how long do you think it wou
everyone else in the system has an election and obama doesn't. so as his capital goes down and his vision gets wider, historically everyone else is getting narrower to that -- it not even to election day in '14 but to primary day. >> with all that said, lee, you look at the deal, as michael said, the president came out big. not only does he want taxes to go up on the wealthy but stimulus spending, the power to raise the debt ceiling. where is the middle ground? who blinks on these...
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his party lost the presidential election, they failed to swin the senate, the jobs numbers continue to improve, the president is adamant he's not going to concede over raising taxes. is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy
his party lost the presidential election, they failed to swin the senate, the jobs numbers continue to improve, the president is adamant he's not going to concede over raising taxes. is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of...
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and that is that republicans were saying the very same things after they lost to president obama in 2008. this is not a new thing for republican party to go through this kind of soul-searching after losing a big and important election. and i think that's the important thing to note here. and that's what mike murphy is kind of saying too. look, they know it's not about technology. it's not about turnout. they do have to focus more on policies that indicator to a broader part of the electorate, and not just this small sliver that they've been talking. to. >> boris, you were making -- >> first of all, every party when it loses a big election, in 2000 the democrats went through it, 2004 they went through. you lose a big election, you have to look inside and see how you win. it's like anything in the world. sports teams are the same thing when they lose. >> it depends on the sports team. >> hopefully. >> you mentioned staying away from social issues. last week we heard from rick santorum, one of the 16, 17 front-runners in the gop field. apparently he may make a comeback in 2016. >> no. >> i
and that is that republicans were saying the very same things after they lost to president obama in 2008. this is not a new thing for republican party to go through this kind of soul-searching after losing a big and important election. and i think that's the important thing to note here. and that's what mike murphy is kind of saying too. look, they know it's not about technology. it's not about turnout. they do have to focus more on policies that indicator to a broader part of the electorate,...